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Assman

You don't have to break the Church. You just need to join Twitter. Access to information is the enemy of any organization that relies on a single-minded worldview to exist.

A few years from now, any Catholic kid in a bad situation will have the wherewithal to reach out, find other options, raise flags on the pederasts and convert to FSMism. Of course, that doesn't mean justice for the ones who've already suffered, but you can't win 'em all.

Vandelay

They may have the tools but as long as they're threatened with eternal damnation and actually believe in the concept of hell and believe that ratting out clergy men will put them there, they won't use them.

Dr. Whatley

Can we go a step further and include defunding them for mandating that if you're a female and attend one of their schools that you have to wear a skirt, which in turn becomes the basis for the biggest cock tease in a young man's life, relegating that young man to a lifetime of jack offery to any woman with nice gams in a plaid skirt?

Vandelay

One mountain at a time, Whatley...one mountain at a time.

Assman

They may have the tools but as long as they're threatened with eternal damnation and actually believe in the concept of hell and believe that ratting out clergy men will put them there, they won't use them.

Sure they will. I mean, nobody believes in that Zeus crap anymore because we went up to the top of Mt. Olympus and didn't see anything. Once people start acquiring knowledge about multiple faiths, the history of religion, sociology and human psychology, it becomes harder to fear the threat of a hell that isn't there.

Or at the very least, it becomes more clear to the kid that the guy doing the bad touch is the villain here, not them. The more of these guys that get exposed, the easier it is for a kid to categorize their abuser as "one of them" and to treat them as such.

Assman

Can we go a step further and include defunding them for mandating that if you're a female and attend one of their schools that you have to wear a skirt...

Alright now, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Not every idea is a bad idea, you know? Those three years of Catholic school were BRUTAL for me, with this part as the mild exception.

Vandelay

But Assman...religious fables are far more appealing to children than real knowledge. That's where the hook comes from. Who is a 6 year old going to listen to...someone telling them about a talking snake or someone trying to explain genetic mutations and natural selection? Especially when you scare them into believing the former.

My kid thinks I'm an idiot for believing in "that monkey thing." Magic is far more intriguing than science to young minds. I said, "Audrey don't you think it's a miracle that after billions of years a molecule found a way to make a copy of itself and that would evolve over a couple more billion years into a creature that then came to wonder where it came from?" Nope. Not until, natural selection gives snakes vocal chords.

Assman

My kid thinks I'm an idiot for believing in "that monkey thing." Magic is far more intriguing than science to young minds.

Entirely untrue. Science is intriguing when you story-tell it right. You can compete with Genesis. Just tell a funny story about how monkeys slowly turned into humans by learning how to use tools and becoming a little bit smarter every day? At least that's how I peddle this science horseshit on my little dorks.

Everything is marketing.

randi

12 years of Catholic school and I couldn't dislike the Catholic church more than I did now if you paid me to.

Vandelay

Okay, so what's your timeline here, Assman? Theoretically it would only take one generation to do away with it forever. The second it stops getting passed down and we stop indoctrinating children, it begins to die. How many generations is it going to take for the people that value evidence and reason over faith to become the majority? Until we start putting pressure on people's religious beliefs, it ain't gonna happen.

In one of the 2008 Republican primary debates, four people when said they don't believe in evolution and that was it. End of the subject. No follow-up questions. If someone said they believed in Poseidon or Zeus or Venus they'd be done in this country. The only reason people don't believe in those Gods anymore is because that civilization went down in flames. How do we do it without being wiped out? How do you fight illogical people with logic?

Assman

Good question, but you're not talking about religion as much as education. You've got people making unnecessary babies because they don't understand birth control. You've got people fighting evolution because they don't understand that it's not a challenge to their beliefs.

Maybe I'm a pollyanna, but yeah, I think this thing has got maybe a generation or two left in it. Not religion dying; but more the fear of science. Access to info has pretty much always won out.

Mr. Kruger

My biggest question is why do you bring your kids to church in the first place? They get fed the most outrageous misinformation ever conceivable and they run the risk of getting molested.

Secondly, Pollyanna aside, the fact remains that natural selection does not focus on the brightest and strongest individuals of any given species. It simply favors the ones that produce the most viable off-spring. I'm not saying ignorant, dull-minded parents can't reproduce smart kids but it's the culture they create which tends to supersede whether or not the bright one will have an offset effect.

Vandelay

You've got people fighting evolution because they don't understand that it's not a challenge to their beliefs.

But it absolutely is. If I may summon the great Carl Sagan...Without creation, you no longer have a creator. Without a creator, what does that say about our theologically based moral codes?

Unless you're a proponent of ID...and I know you're not (remember when I never heard of ID?), it firmly disproves all three of the monotheisms. Even if you were a proponent of ID though, it still kills Christianity as I explained above because it's central belief (Jesus died for our sins) is directly tied to Adam...the guy that was made from dirt.

SteelSox

"the fact remains that natural selection does not focus on the brightest and strongest individuals of any given species. It simply favors the ones that produce the most viable off-spring."

While the strongest and brightest tend to live longer and therefore produce more offspring (more seeds, more likely some should be viable), this is still absolutely true... It's as though the instant we began adapting our surroundings to suit us as oppose to us adapting to our surroundings, we began devolving... The intelligent minded are having less children, while the poor uneducated are dropping babies like mana from the heavens... Education is the only solution... Destroy the fear of the illogical with knowledge... That and having tons of unprotected sex with women so that our intelligent genes are passed on!

SteelSox

Nothing explains my point better than the intro to this movie... Idiocracy

http://youtu.be/BXRjmyJFzrU

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