Tracking Desperation

You have to admit, watching Hill flopping around like a fish out of water desperately trying to find something to justify her staying in this race while any sane person can see that she can't win is getting sort of fun. Let's take a quick look at some more of her antics from the past few days...

Let's first recap that awesome Washington Post interview:

- The media is mean to me

-If I don't win, the female race gender will be upset

-This Michigan/Florida thing is bullshit

-McCain has no chance against me

-Screw the democratic process...look at the intensity of my voters

-Racism hasn't been a part of this campaign. It's been really, really sexist though. There are way more misogynists than racists.

Q. Do you think this has been a particularly racist campaign?

A. I do not. I think this has been a positive, civil campaign. I think that both gender and race have been obviously a part of it because of who we are and every poll I've seen show more people would be reluctant to vote for a woman [than] to vote for an African American, which rarely gets reported on either. The manifestation of some of the sexism that has gone on in this campaign is somehow more respectable or at least more accepted. And I think there should be equal rejection of the sexism and the racism when and if it ever raises its ugly head. But it does seem as though the press at least is not as bothered by the incredible vitriol that has been engendered by comments and reactions of people who are nothing but misogynists.

Editors' Note: OMG!!!

Talking to a senior community in Florida:

- Democrats in Florida and Michigan are going to vote for McCain because the Democratic party doesn't want their votes

- Disregarding the votes from Florida and Michigan is the same as what's happening in Zimbabwe where that evil African dictator is trying to suppress election results so that he may continue his evil reign.

Editors' Note: Wait. What? So in this scenario, Obama = Mugabe?

Money quote:

“So we can never take for granted our precious right to vote. It is the single most important, privilege and right any of us have, because in that ballot box we are all equal. You’re equal to a billionaire. You’re equal to the president, every single one of us.”

Editors' Note: Yes, that's fucking brilliant. Unfortunately you just completely contradicted your bullshit argument that we need to look at who is voting for you as opposed to how many votes are received.

I give her a couple weeks before she starts flat-out accusing him of being Al-Qaeda.

Comments

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

I'm in Michigan and I don't want to give the Democratic party my vote because they are idiots for letting her stay in the race. Somebody...please...stop her.

[Art Vandelay]

I'm in Michigan and I don't want to give the Democratic party my vote because they are idiots for letting her stay in the race. Somebody...please...stop her.

What's truly reprehensible about that comment is that she said it to people in Florida. Is she actually trying to turn those people against her own party?

[Schmoopie]

Didja see the NYT article today about all the racist old people in Florida? Apparently many of the old Jewish folks claim Obama's not good on Israel, when some major Jewish group says his record on Israel is A-OK. A bunch of people quoted said the same sort of crap we expect to hear from the West Virginians—the race stuff, the "he's a Muslim" crap, all that.

Now: As for what Hillary said..." every poll I've seen show more people would be reluctant to vote for a woman [than] to vote for an African American." Oh. So your electoral appeal among uneducated whites maybe isn't enough, Senator Clinton? The electorate is more inclined to vote for Obama than for you? Well in that case, I say we give the nomination to Obama for the good of the party! Thanks for your input.

(I hate sexism and racism both, I do. I condemn the misogyny hurled at Clinton throughout the campaign, but Obama has more electoral votes and, excluding the votes he wasn't pursuing because the Democratic party asked him not to pursue, more popular votes. The nomination is rightfully his, barring 100% of the voters in the handful of remaining states opting for Clinton.)

[Schmoopie]

Art: It does lend credence to the theory that she wants McCain to beat Obama so she can run in four years. But I'd prefer not to see what this country would look like (and the Supreme Court) after another four years of Republican presidency.

[Art Vandelay]

Now: As for what Hillary said..." every poll I've seen show more people would be reluctant to vote for a woman [than] to vote for an African American." Oh. So your electoral appeal among uneducated whites maybe isn't enough, Senator Clinton? The electorate is more inclined to vote for Obama than for you? Well in that case, I say we give the nomination to Obama for the good of the party! Thanks for your input.

Heh...I didn't even think about that. She sort of backed herself into a corner there.

Art: It does lend credence to the theory that she wants McCain to beat Obama so she can run in four years.

In her defense, she did qualify it with "we can't let that happen." It seems to me if she really didn't want it to happen, she would let Obama save some campaign $ for the big one.

[SL22]

Schmoopie, I don't think you have any idea of what Florida is really like.

Also, most of my friends would be more hung up in voting for a woman than for a blackish guy who's name kind of sounds like a Muslim. In fact, most of them are Obama fans but wouldn't vote for Hillary pretty much because she's a woman. Or at least that's what I gather.

[SL22]

However, her Mugabe stuff is straight out of George Bush's "Nazi Appeasers" playbook. "Evil African Dictator"...I can't deny that there has to be some underlying message there.

[Art Vandelay]

Way to keep your finger on the pulse of Floridian voting tendencies SL but I'm not sure "most of my friends" is a valid sample size.

[SL22]

It's not, but simply dismissing it because we are on a crusade against racism is not always true. I could believe that more people would be hesitant to vote for a woman than a black man.

If I don't win, the female race will be upset

whaa?? weird use of the word race- but I won't go any further.

Clinton might be trying to position herself for a cabinet appointment or another crack at the Office in 2012 which makes no sense since she's running the nastiest campaign in history. It is not even smart-nasty but uneducated-white nasty which is ironic for someone who the media pegs as "smart".

I think the whole sexism rant is totally bogus. I think most people have no problem voting for a woman except in this case the woman is HC: a dirty, conniving, ego-driven, spiteful politician. She seems to be oblivious to her own repugnance and is probably drinking the same water as Bill.

[Mr. Kruger]

yea, that was me

[Mr. Kruger]

yea, that was me

[SL22]

Was that Kruger?

[Art Vandelay]

weird use of the word race

Seriously...that's retarded.

[SL22]

Obama needs to count on the black gender.

[Art Vandelay]

Alright...made a mistake. Let's get past it. Eyes on the prize.

[phil]

How convenient it is for Hill to have the gender card to play here. Just lose the race and take it like a stand-up kind of person (almost wanted to use the word "man" there).

I don't see her XX as an issue for me and those I know. I know a lot of people who wanted her to win in part to make a gender statement, but have pulled away because of the race she has run. As Kruger said

"a dirty, conniving, ego-driven, spiteful politician."

Nothing do due with her genetic makeup. Other than the couple of teary-eyed public displays, I have not seen any gender-stereotypic behaviors. She is pretty ruthless, in this race and historically.

Yes, Vandelay, "those I know" is not a statistically significant sample size. But, I work with a lot of women, and have watched how this has played out for them. Suggests possible validity.

[Dr. Stangejazz]

I'm not buying this whole "they won't vote for her cause she's a woman" crap. She was the front runner for president from the time she became a NY Senator. Oh by the way how fast was that when she became a senator?

People don't like Hillary CLINTON because she's HILLARY CLINTON!

If it was another white lady running for president the press wouldn't be this harsh.

[phil]

"People don't like Hillary CLINTON because she's HILLARY CLINTON!"

Precisely.

[DFS]

bros before hoes, thats all I have to say.

[H.E. Pennypacker]

I was talking about this whole nomination thing with a female friend of mine over the weekend, and she told me she's really noticed the misogyny directed towards Clinton, and it's bothered her a lot. Now, I don't consider my friend to be any kind of militant feminist or anything... so for her to pick up on it, it'd have to be real.

I countered with the idea that, at this point in American (and world) history, Obama getting elected would send the best message abroad that hey, maybe this crazed circus-elephant of a superpower might just be changing a little bit.

But hey, what do we know? We're just a couple of Canadian honkies.

[phil]

Interesting to hear about overt misogyny. I can't say, here in So Cal, that I have heard it so much. Could be the people I hang with.

"...at this point in American (and world) history, Obama getting elected would send the best message abroad that hey, maybe this crazed circus-elephant of a superpower might just be changing a little bit."

I was in a conversation yesterday where we discussed that this may be the first opportunity, perhaps since JFK, to make a radical change in the direction of leadership in this country. I know I have been frustrated and even apathetic in recent presidential elections at the choices we had. It was pretty much "pick the one who sucks the least." This time it feels different. And I'm excited about the possibilities. I could launch into a GW rant here, but you all already have it. Bastard is finally gonna go away.

And, Pennypacker, we don't care if you're Canadian. It actually makes you more objective. You guys just suck at hockey.

[Jack Klompus]

"I was in a conversation yesterday where we discussed that this may be the first opportunity, perhaps since JFK, to make a radical change in the direction of leadership in this country."

Hey, there's the C word again. Change. How is it that any one of the candidates will provide "radical" change? Does it need to be "radical," per se? You do realize we have (pretty much) the same Congress for at least 2 more years? Nonetheless, I do give you credit for not mentioning the word "Hope." Hope, change. Change, hope. I hope for a change of hope to change the hope we changed before we hoped for change.

"And, Pennypacker, we don't care if you're Canadian. It actually makes you more objective."

Ludicrous. By nature, any Mexican or Canadian is much more likely to support a liberal view of the U.S. That's like saying Vandelay being a Steelers fan (and batshit loon) makes him more objective about the Patriots. However, ask a Canadian- or Mexican-born person that became a U.S. citizen and you're bound to get a completely different perspective.

[phil]

You're right, Klompus, my use of the word "radical" was extreme, for the reason you suggest. But, a change in the direction of leadership I think IS possible. It can't happen quickly, for the reasons you say. It may not happen at all. I just hope it can (OK, just threw that in to piss you off).

The belief that there could be a move away from the usual ass holes running for office, for something other than "business as usual", is presented in this election. "Could" being the operative word. You never really know what you're getting 'til you've got it.

And as far as the Canucks, I think your point is well made. Just throwing a bone.

And, the football analogy doesn't fly. We have all seen that Vandelay can't be objective there.

[Jack Klompus]

"We have all seen that Vandelay can't be objective there."

Yes, that was my point.

[Mr. Kruger]

By nature, any Mexican or Canadian is much more likely to support a liberal view of the U.S.

By nature?? What the hell does that mean? My Canadian relatives are some of the most fervent right-wing wack jobs you'll ever meet. And Klompus, despite what you're buddy Rush Limplard tells you not all wet backs are flag burning descendants of Che Guevara and Cesar Chavez.

[Jack Klompus]

"By nature?? What the hell does that mean?"

Meaning, because they are a neighboring (and sometimes competing) country, they'd have a natural inclination towards anything that aims to weaken the US' super-power status. Not saying I blame them, just that such an inclination doesn't make them objective.

"And Klompus, despite what you're buddy Rush Limplard tells you not all wet backs are flag burning descendants of Che Guevara and Cesar Chavez."

Not surprised you made that hysterical leap. Everything seems to be an absolute with you. What I was saying is that Mexicans tend to favor looser immigration and border restrictions. Naturally, why wouldn't they? However, Mexicans that waited all those years to gain US citizenship legally, obviously are likely to have a much different viewpoint on the subject.

[phil]

"...because they are a neighboring (and sometimes competing) country, they'd have a natural inclination towards anything that aims to weaken the US' super-power status."

Don't believe this to be true at all. Both nations are highly reliant on the US being a super power. There may be those factions with such an inclination, but I do not believe at all what you just said. The natural inclination is quite the opposite.

[Jack Klompus]

"Both nations are highly reliant on the US being a super power."

That is true, and I'm sure businessmen and government officials are aware of it. However, what percentage of overall citizens of each of those countries do you honestly believe are cognizant of that?

[phil]

The majority, I would think, at least in Canada. But, we are really both speculating here, so I think I would have to look into it further. Kruger is pretty good at coming up with supporting documentation. You got anything on this, Kruger? And, I guess we are getting a bit off the original topic.

[Mr. Kruger]

Not surprised you made that hysterical leap.

I don't think you can even begin to compare the Mexican situation with the Canadian. Most Canadians would laugh at the idea of US citizenship. The illegals are trying to escape poverty and a dangerous country and there finding work here because certain Americans can pay them sub-standard wages and get away with it. Try that with a Canadian.

[Mr. Kruger]

You got anything on this, Kruger?

Nada. But I think it misses the point anyway.

[DFS]

Now she's staying in the race because of the RFK assassination. What the fuck?

[Jackie]

"Now she's staying in the race because of the RFK assassination. What the fuck?"

I unequivocally will never vote for Hillary Cinton in any capacity ever, unless it is an election to have something really bad done to the winner.

She can seriously fuck off and die.

And, not for nothing, after that missive, any "party elder" who sticks in her corner can pretty much fuck the fuck right off too as far as I am concerned.

[Jack Klompus]

"I don't think you can even begin to compare the Mexican situation with the Canadian"

Evidently and obviously.