Pit Bull Fighting vs. Hunting For Sport

With the Michael Vick indictment coming down, the cries of how vicious and inhumane pit bull fighting is have pretty much reached a fever pitch. Folks are all up in arms over the things Vick and his people are alleged to have done. Now personally, I think anyone who is drowning, strangling, hanging, shooting or electrocuting dogs for losing a fight should be exposed to repeated sodomization by DaveinNYC's pack of deranged wild goats, but that said, I have a very hard time buying the "public outrage," when most people really don't give a shit that Jim Billy Bob and his boys regularly go around killing animals for sport -- just for shits, giggles and heads-on-walls and not even eating the meat. You can give me the one is "legal" and the other is "illegal" business all you want -- and I simply reply with "slavery was legal, that does not make it right" -- but I'm gonna have to hear something better to convince me that this "public outrage" isn't a bit contrived considering that I don't recall hearing the masses getting all worked up about putting wild animals in confined surroundings, hunting them with loaded weapons and then going on like a waste of space douchebag that you've somehow proved yourself to be the better being.

I guess my point is that I'm just not buying what most people are selling in the pissed off department on this one. Just seems like most folks are doing the typical sheep routine and acting all worked up, because that's what's expected, not because that's what they really believe.

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[troy]

this is an incredibly stupid discussion.

let me get this straight: if forcing two dogs to rip each other to shreds (as well as the subsequent electrocution or drowing of them them if they are wounded or lose is illegal), then we should likewise ban all game hunting, whereby a kill is quick and fairly painless. Compare death by firing squad to being ripped to shreds by an alligator. What do YOU think would be more painful? That is of course, if the argument is about pain and suffering. So what is it -are people seriously saying that people shouldn't be allowed to torture their pets, or are we saying that animals should have the same rights as people? In that case, maybe it should be a felony to kill animals under any circumstances. It's funny how a lot the same people that take such a strong stand against any sort of violence against animals think that abortion should be legal. So anyway, if we're going to ban all game hunting, then well I suppose it would follow that we should ban the use of animals for all commercial purposes including meat, dairy, leather, production, etc. That's right folks, no more leather goods, no more fishing, no more turkey dinners, no more milk for your kids because of course, keeping a cow in a pen should be illegal too unless you can get written permission that it's ok to pull on her teets. In fact, maybe it shouldn't be legal to serve dogs dog food or make them sleep in a kennel because you know, they'd much rather eat steak and sleep in a king-sized bed. And while you're at it, maybe you should ban killing bugs too. Yeah, lets make it a felony to squish a fly or a misquito, that is - again if we're talking about the inalienable rights of all creatures big and small and not about cruel treatment of animals.

Oh, and before you make your big judgement call, understand that Ducks Unlimited, which is funded by duck stamps, which are paid for by hunters (not big-mouthed, ill-advised, ignorant, overgrown kids who really don't know much about anything), has been one of the most successful lobbies for the protection of wetlands in the U.S. and has in fact saved thousands of acres of these invaluable wildlands to the benefit of all of society. If you decide to ban hunting, then you are doing away with one of the great bariers of protection for wildlands of all kinds. Please tell me what good the Pit Bull breeders and dog fighters have done for the world. There is NO GOOD that comes from these dogs or their breeding for fighting.

[troy]

likewise - comparing MMA or boxing to dog fighting is stupid. If you want to make a comparison, watch Gladiator. Last time I checked, they don't use daggers or swords in the octagon and the fighters in the ring today aren't forced to fight against their will.

[America is full of hypocrites]

Anyone of you fucks can sit up here and honestly say that hunting is a sport then you are just as wrong as michael vick. To kill a bird, and say it was all out of good sport you are wrong. To say that it's for population control, you are equally ignorant. Animals(though they dont have souls) have just as much a right to live as we do. But if you are going to go after a multi millionaire BLACK QB than go after that middle class WHITE man who shoots birds for fun. And i guarantee you, if a hunting dog is not up to par, then hunters shoot them. It's a matter of race. How one race can do something but another cant. And i find it funny how the whites talk about cruelty when my people didnt get any rights until the late 60's but we were in this nation(involuntary) for a couple of centruies. So PETA can take their "righteous morals" and shove em. And although fighters aren't forced to fight against their wills, you will chant and pay to see them brutalize another human being. Which proves how this fucking nation is full of hypocrites stuck in their nazi ways. Peta is full of hippies that attack mainstream america.
Since evry pervert on here thinks animals should live, STOP KILLING THEM FOR FOOD!!!!!

[Assman]

It's a matter of race. How one race can do something but another cant...

Please stop talking. You're making us look bad.

[whateverman]

Simply put, who is the worst animal killer? I come from a city were if your caught owning a pitbull you are fined thousands and your pitbull is then (in a lighter sense of the word) "euthanized." Termindated! for being a pitbull. Denver CO. has enforced this ban in May and since then have put down a total of 150 pits. Now with Michael Vicks case, if he was living and running his dogfighting operation in Flordia, Why does America feel its such a crime? Come to Denver Vick you'd be doing our city a favor!! Or at least in the Gov.'s eyes.

[dandamancan]

I'm not down with the whole hunting thing either or the factory farming, however, pit bull fighting is more like factory farming than hunting, because at least the deer or whatever animal gets to have a life before the brutality hits them, factory farming and pit bull fighting is pretty brutal, however, the Pit Bull fighting puts people on the sidelines yelling, Kill Kill, which is not healthy at all. So, no, hunting, factory farming, not cool, what Vick did...sick son o bitch...really!

[tmong]

I personally have been going back & forth on the Michael Vick issue for quite some time. I really do struggle with the line between what is right and wrong in this case…what is real vs. trumped up. What’s being exploited and what’s being hidden.
I am a father. I own a dog, and have owned dogs as "pets" most of my life. I grew up hunting, and still do, annually (deer hunting, etc). [And per the previous poster, I don’t know a hunter who would kill a bird dog that didn’t perform...that’s a laughable, ignorant generalization] I enjoy the occasional fishing trip. I eat what I kill, if I kill. And I'm not a "red neck", imagine that! I work for one of the largest software companies in the world. I graduated from HS and College with very high honors. I've travelled the globe. I've lived in Europe. I consciously think of my hunting decisions, am comfortable with those decisions, and love my pets at the same time like my kids (i.e., I sleep with my dog).
What Michael Vick did to those dogs (he and his cohorts) was wrong, unarguably, and I agree whole-heartedly with him being punished for it, but primarily for the gambling & conspiracy aspects. Yet I continue to struggle with the dog/animal part of this - the killing of an animal - contributing to this crime being of felony status. Gambling & conspiracy - sure. Animal killing? No. Sorry, I just can see killing a dog being a felony. Is it a felony because of the argument previously posed here, that the animals are “domesticated”, it therefore makes it worse than killing an average animal? Wheeee….that’s an interesting argument. I know people who have deer as pets. So we send all hunters to prison now? Snakes are interesting...you can have them as pets, but most people consider them dangerous and non-domesticated. Should it be prisonable for cutting the head off of one in your yard, because some people domesticate them? What about the boy who forgets to feed his goldfish, and it dies? Ship him off to San Quentin? What about rats, gerbils, mice? They are domesticated…kept as pets. I guess that poor fellow who feeds a mouse to his boa should have a felony conviction and time served on his record.
My point is this…while I condemn the killing of dogs, the decision to make the killing of an animal a federal offense (even if it is in the context of dog fighting) pushes us to a dangerous slippery slope we may not get off of. When does it end? Remember when you could say “God” in public, say the pledge of allegiance, pray in schools, etc? Whether you were for it or against it, you cannot argue that after the first successful case of banning “god” in some context was won in the courts, it’s been a snowball effect since, removing the bulk of religious influence from our public lives. Today it's a crime to kill a dog (even though the argument's been made that some breeds, like pit bulls, agreeably are born to be violent, not necessarily pets aka "man's best friend"). Tomorrow could it be illegal to dispose of a rat? A snake (because someone in California thinks snakes should be pets)?
Here's another problem I have. What was it, 8 days prior to being charged, dog fighting was a misdemeanor in VA? Conveniently it became a felony just in time for Michael Vick? I smell a rat. I smell an institution looking to make a celebrity their bad poster boy to further their agenda. "Hey, we may be able to nail Michael Vick & Bad Newz Kennels", let's make this a more serious offense. The timing of that legislation change was unusual.
I believe Pete Rose should be banned from Baseball. I believe Denny McClain and his gambling & cocaine dealing hurt baseball & his crimes were just. I believe Shoeless Joe Jackson was rightfully banned from baseball. And I believe Michael Vick should pay for his gambling/conspiracy charges.
To make his treatment of animals a felony offense however, no matter how much I deplore his decisions to so cruelly treat those dogs, seems wrong however. I don’t profess to understand all the facts of this case, and perhaps the “felony” part of this is all attributed to the gambling & conspiracy, not to the dog killing. But in the court of public opinion, Vick should “die” or “fry” for killing dogs. That to me is just ridiculous. I’d never invite the man to my home, he’d never be a friend of mine, and I’d tell him exactly what I think of him for being so inhumane to dogs. But that doesn’t make him a felon, simply because the dog is domesticated. In the end it is still an animal, and no different than that pig that died for your breakfast bacon, that fish you flushed down the toilet, or that chicken who gave up his life for yout Caesar chicken salad at lunch.

[Comedy Blog]

Sad thing is Michael Vick had enough money to move to China and do this. It's legal there and he could have then sold the corpses on the open market. It's a shame. There's alot of meat on those dogs too.

Do I smell a Bad Newz Kennel 2 - Electric Dogaloo?

[Jennifer]

We can't speak out against hunting being wrong. No one would listen. Besides, since when do people go in with the animals and rip them to pieces while others are watching? And most hunters eat their meat anyway.
Dogfighting is sick. As is watching any two animals fight. And not only that, but its often a strong idicator of gambling, gang activity, and other issues.
I have two apbts, and it's horrid being constantly afraid that someone is going to try and take them to use as bait dogs in the ring, which has happened in my area before.
And what's worse. When the 'pit bull' hype runs out, which breed is going to be next?

[JAY]

Free Michael Vick,!!!!!
NOBODY SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT CHICKEN FIGHTS , HUNTERS THAT HUNT DEERS, BIRD, EVEN FISHING... NOW!!! THEY WANT TO LOCK MICHAEL VICK UP. WHAT ABOUT THE FORMERS KILLING ANIMALS? IF THEY REALLY WANT TO GO THERE , THEN FORMERS,HUNTERS EVEN PEOPLES WHO GO FISHING SHOULD BE BEHIND BARS RIGHT NOW!!!...
JUST FREE MICHAEL VICK

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[Danyl]

I love woaching pit bulls fighting.

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[jay]

lets be honest people. this is all about race. this is about hunting which is mostly done by older white men and dogfighting which is done by mostly black inner city guys. so of course white guys are gonna say its no comparison and black guys are going to say that they are the same thing.. when actually if the everything was fair then if there is a law against dogfighting then it should be a law against intentially killing all animals weather its a dog cat or deer. i cant see sitting around watching two dogs fight to the death. i think its sick and a waste of time and on top of that fights break out and all other types of sinceless violence could occur. also i cant see myself with a riffle trying to hunt down a defenseless rabbit or something. i dont like the people that try and justify one and critisize the other. talking about the laws and helping the population and stuff.i dont think this country has to worry about being overrun by deer. either you agree with intentially killing animals or you dont.

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In July 2008 I had to have my 1 year old pitbull put down, because of vicious behavior toward children.

[Stranger]

Comment to Babu, You are such a ignorant little person to write some BS like that. Racist ignorant little person. Where do you live? I hope some samoans move right next door to you. Fucken QUEER! Oh yeah! FUCK MIKE VICK AND ANYONE WHO SUPPORT AND CAUSE HARM TO ANIMALS FOR ENTERTAINMENT.