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Scathing. With the same flair as the Steeler Super Bowl defenses. Although I don't think Nash tried to sell the hip-check...in basketball, you usually don't expect that to happen. And Manu is a little bitch. As is Duncan.

Art,

I remember Lambeer from his glory days and you are correct: Lambeer would make Bruce his bitch. But Bowen is dirty as hell. He clearly kneed Nash in the nadbag. He throws elbows like crap dice. His positioning under the rim mysteriously leads to rolled ankles of opposing players. He has always been a dirty player. Not an indictment of the entire Spurs team, but Bowen is a punk.

Bowen also pulled that ridiculous shit on Amare, trying to fuck is leg up. Totally unacceptably shit right there that would get your ass kicked at any park in America.

TMan, I don't see what you mean.

Alright, Bowen is a punk but I guarantee that you can find a bunch of isolated incidents on players from any team in the NBA and draw the same conclusion. This was a non-story until Amare decided to cry about it.

I see it as black and white. if steve nash werent on the suns i wonder how much righteous indignation there would be over the incident and the suns treatment. On a related topic, I think to get the league back to jordan era popularity, it has elevated nash and nowitsky to the 2 "best players" in the league for the last few yesrs now and have imported a flood of eastern eurpoeans to help remove the leagues "thug" read allen iverson--image.

bv...that's kind of silly. You are right in that if the roles were reversed there wouldn't be all this indignation but it's got more to do with the fact that there is a Spurs bias because people find them boring. Suns=fun to watch. Spurs=not so much. Although I completely disagree with that sentiment, it definitely exists.

Race doesn't have anything to do with it. Nash and Dirk have been elevated as two of the best players in the league because they are two of the best players in the league.

"Nash and Dirk have been elevated as two of the best players in the league because they are two of the best players in the league."

In my opinion, best players in the league lead their teams to championships..they dont choke in the first round against a team that barely made it into the playoffs and got eliminated in the next round

Art, put your contacts back in. From that very same link you posted there are numerous clips of Bowen pulling the same crap with the Knicks, Sonics, etc. These are not "isolated incidents" but a clear pattern of punk-ass bitch play. And I couldn't care less about the NBA, so no fan bias. I just hate punks who would can't compete with their opponents, so they have to try to maim. That fuckwit Mark Schlareth was the same way when he was with the Broncos. Darius Kasparitus was the same with the Penguins.

Well, I think I conceded that Bowen pulls some garbage and then I said there are players like that all over the league and it's only news because Amare wanted the Suns to get sympathy...and it worked. Tony Parker nearly got decapitated by Barbosa in that same game and nobody knows a thing about it? Why? Parker, shook it off, smiled, and walked to the foul line. No story there.

So, I'm not really sure what you're arguing.

While we're throwing out names, let's throw Rodney Harrison in there.

No it is because Nash and Nowitzki are white, those two chumps don't have a ring between them but people (read white sports writers) call them the best. Bullshit, this is a league controlled by an old Jew who couldn't ball if you paid him and he sits and rules over a majority black league. That's bullshit right there. The commisionner of a majority black league should be black.

Oh hey token black character from Seinfeld (Jackie) Have you seen the title of Russel Simmons' new book?

If you think Nash and Nowitzki are considered elite because they are white, then you are beyond help. The commissioner of a majority league should be black? What is this, BET? I guess that means Obama can't run for president anymore.


And I agree with BobP's sports frog defense, most of those kinds of injuries are either caused by clumsy idiots or dirty players. Bowen isn't a clumsy idiot.

What injuries exacty has he caused?

Bowen put Steve Francis on the bench with a rolled ankle by being underneath him when Francis put up a lumper and landed on his foot. He did the same thing to Jamal Crawford about a week later (Isiah wanted to get at Bowen after that). He did the same thing to Vince Carter and Ray Allen. Allen, who is normally mild-mannered and a good sportsman, wanted to fight Bowen.

Details and footage here:
http://theassociation.blogs.com/the_association/2006/11/no_doubt_about_.html

Hey DSafe: Stop letting the facts get in the way of a great rant.

(I admittedly had no idea about that stuff.)

wrt #3

you are seriously suggesting nash flopped on horry's hit?

take another hit. and ponder how the finest team of the last decade did not have to play the best team this year at full strength. the suns were victimized not by the spurs and bruce bowen's dangerous, dirty play. they were victimized by david stern's hubris, stubbornness and stupidity.

spurs are not dirty, except bowen. but they are whiny. incredibly whiny, in an age of whininess. this is annoying (as is manu's relentless flopping), and hurts their image.

Uh...no howard. I think I made it clear that it was a blatant hard foul. I'm suggesting that he embellished.

David Stern would have had a lot bigger problem on his hands if he chose to make an exception for the Suns.

Hey DSafe: Stop letting the facts get in the way of a great rant.

Again the main contention of the rant is not that Bowen is not a dirty player, but thanks for having my back my man.

Uh...no howard. I think I made it clear that it was a blatant hard foul. I'm suggesting that he embellished.

I just saw this play clearly for the first time. I'd seen it before and was banged up and drooling all over my pillow.

I completely agree with this assessment.

As for your back, man, manbro and all, I'm frankly not interested.

"While we're throwing out names, let's throw Rodney Harrison in there."

And let's not forget Hines Ward and Joey Porter.


"but they are whiny. incredibly whiny, in an age of whininess."

Nail on the head, Howard.

Hey, Joey Porter's a Dolphin, man.

Chiles, what the hell are you doing at 4:30 in the morning?

Nail on the head, Howard.

Except this whole thing started because Amare whined. Now he's a fucking martyr.

"Chiles, what the hell are you doing at 4:30 in the morning?"

Smart money's on something food-related.

"Except this whole thing started because Amare whined. Now he's a fucking martyr."

This incident maybe, but I wan't talking about that. I was applying Howard's quote in more of a general sense. We are indeed in the age of whiners. Doesn't matter if it's Amare, Nash, or Kordell Stewart.

embellished. heh.

you are high.

This incident maybe, but I wan't talking about that. I was applying Howard's quote in more of a general sense. We are indeed in the age of whiners. Doesn't matter if it's Amare, Nash,Kordell Stewart, or Tom Brady.

I completely agree.


you are high.

...and you, my friend, are a sheep.


(disclaimer...howard is far from a sheep but his refual to look at this situation with an ounce of pragmatism allows me to drop that on him)

(yes...I'm high and it's great.)

"Chiles, what the hell are you doing at 4:30 in the morning?"

Smart money's on something food-related.

You guys kill me.

Truth is, I was scarfing down a grilled chicken from the fake Gray's Papayas on my corner and wondering why the hell I put down about 10 Grey Gooses and Red Bull and played the wingman role until 4:15 a.m. at my buddies unairconditioned POS studio while he tried to bang some around 40 year old Swedish chick.

He owes me. Big time.

"Things weren't working right all last season," he says. "We weren't winning and I had people booing me for the first time and someone even dumped beer on me and they were saying crazy things about me and none of this had ever happened to me. It can take its toll on a young man. It can cause you to flare up at some point unless you have some serious support. A young black man like myself who doesn't have any hands-on friends who you can go to and spill your guts and cry with and not have anyone else know it ... if you don't have that outlet, at some point you are going to blow."

Kordell, June 1999. Vandelay, you're seriously lumping that Brady article in with that? Get real.

Klompus, you're not actually looking for me to defend Korkie, are you? Trust me...whatever you think of Korkie, I think 10 times worse. I thought we were just playing the game where we don't let the other guy forget their team has whiny punks too.

Truth is, I was scarfing down a grilled chicken from the fake Gray's Papayas

Well done, Klompus.

Q: We saw a couple of questionable roughing the passer calls last week. Do you like the direction it's gone in terms of protecting the quarterback or has it gone too far?

TB: Do I like them protecting the quarterbacks? [laughter]

Q: Has it gone too far?

TB: Not in my estimation. No. We're standing back there, we can't defend ourselves. You're standing there holding the ball. It's not like you have time to shed blocks or anything. You're standing there completely just ready... like a mannequin out there, so I don't think they're protecting us too much. There are plenty of calls this year where I thought they should have thrown more flags, [when] I was probably pretty [ticked] off to the ref about [that] he didn't throw.


Just sayin.

"Just sayin."

Likewise, I am not defending Brady, per se. I would admittedly hate him were he on any other team. However, I just want to clarify there's a big punk-factor difference between "A young black man like myself who doesn't have any hands-on friends who you can go to and spill your guts and cry with" and "You're standing there completely just ready... like a mannequin out there, so I don't think they're protecting us too much."

Sure.

Just watched that video to the end. Kobe is a jackass.

fucking spurs are a disgrace, so is their apologetic fanbase you guys are worse then la fans with kobe, open your eyes and see whats in front of you, a team that couldnt beat the lakers at full strength, and wouldnt of beat the suns, to many little coincedences involving this team and the name bowen keeps popping up for a reason.

Late to the party. I'm with Vanedlay here.

1.) The Horry foul was a hard foul, but nothing that would launch a guy into the air. I've bumped guys harder than that (and been bumped). No idea why a suspension was warranted.

2.) I've heard more people say the Suns were robbed in this series than people saying the Spurs won it. But guess what? Before the series, most people still had the Spurs winning anyway because they're the better fucking team. Suspensions (earned, by the way) notwithstanding, the better team won. That's your story.

3.) Bowen is filthy. He's a filthy player who lives to injure people. He needs to be dealt with. The Suns, however, are a pro ball team and not the only team to play the Spurs this year. At a point, you shut the fuck up and you play to win. They didn't do it, so they lost.

The Horry foul was a hard foul, but nothing that would launch a guy into the air.

Thank you. If Nash, embellished at all there trying to get Horry suspended, Amare and Diaw getting suspended for it is poetic justice.

I really wanted the suns to win as they are the only team that motivate me to watch NBA.

But, stoudemire and diaw knew the rule that if they went on to the floor they would be suspended a game. but they went on to the floor. that combination of stupidity and lack of discipline meant that they HAD to miss a game, the NBA not having any choice in the matter if they didn't want to become an impotent disciplinary body.

its unfortunate but the media needs to stfu about it. ultimately the suns had a big lead in game 5 and had they had the mental fortitude to close the game out then they would have had their players back in game 6 to try and win the series.

the suns are the most fun team to watch but the reason they are out is down to themselves and those two guys ignoring a well known rule combined with lack of execution when it counted.

Well stated Z.

This post has restored my faith that there are some rational people left out there. I'm a little disappointed that we lost Howard but I think he'll be back.

bowen went after a man's livelihood by stepping on a professional basketball player's ankle from behind without any regard for his future. what does that say about him? dirty and fucking foul.

I wouldn't say that San Antonio is a "dirty team" persay, but i would say that they made dirty moves. I think they did this because THEY KNEW that the series was in phoenix's hands if they played a fair game. and i wouldn't say that they are the best team for the last ten years, that's just ignorance. If they were the best team for the past ten years, or if it was "hands down" as you say; they would have won the past ten championships, hands down. If you're going to argue a point that makes absolutely NO sense at all, at least don't be biased. thanks.

I wouldn't say that San Antonio is a "dirty team" persay, but i would say that they made dirty moves. I think they did this because THEY KNEW that the series was in phoenix's hands if they played a fair game. and i wouldn't say that they are the best team for the last ten years, that's just ignorance. If they were the best team for the past ten years, or if it was "hands down" as you say; they would have won the past ten championships, hands down. If you're going to argue a point that makes absolutely NO sense at all, at least don't be biased. thanks.

To be considered the best team on the last ten years, they would have had to won all ten NBA championships of the last ten years?

That's the most insane thing I've ever heard.

They won three and maybe a fourth this year. The Lakers won three as well but were much less consistent over this span. It's not up for debate.

You are fucking crazy! Thes Suns are the cleanest team in the NBA minus Raja. They are better than the Spurs by a lot, and they only lost game five because David Stern is a bitch. Diaw propably should've been suspended, but Amare was just checking in. I think all Spurs fans who don't live in San Antonio have proplems.

your a dumb fucking cunt fuck the spurs they make me sick they are a dirty team and I love duncans innocent face everytime a foul is called on him you want to talk about a whiny bitch. than poor sports manship on checking Nash getting two of our players suspended in the process. we would of had a much better chance with Stoudemire.

SUNS are gonna win this upcoming series BITCH

suns are the freakin best no questions ask...yeh and the video u showed kobe elbowed him earlier that game so he got him back nash is not a dirty player they tried to hurt himk cuz they knew they could win then...

lets just say suns are awesome and every other team is lameeee:p

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