He Gots Skills

Couldn't decide on the proper way to intro this one. Came down to:

• Apparently, Run TMC didn't stand for "The Mighty Cock."
• I don't suppose the Killer Crossover refers to his handjob technique.
• Probably the only person in history to start in Texas, move to the Bay Area as a young man, then get a condo on South Beach without ever wearing a pair of capri pants.
• This guy probably isn't a big Rony Seikaly fan.

Either way, Timmy hates him some gay dudes. Awesome? Not awesome?

Comments

[Art Vandelay]

Here's what I don't get. Isiah gets all this praise for saying that he doesn't have a problem with homosexuals. A few days later, Hardaway gets all this scorn for saying that he does have a problem with homosexuals. Both of these situations have been deemed newsworthy. Does that make sense?

The funniest part about this post is the picture title.

[Dr. Strangejazz]

A jock that doesn't like gay people??? No surprises there.

Hardaway shouldn't have used the word hate. But outside of that his feelings represent how a good majority of basketball players feel.

Honestly when has an athlete, who is on an active roster come out of the closet? That goes across the board NBA, MLB, NFL and NHL.

[Assman]

Y'know, I'm all for this being a major public discussion. I mean, if we don't talk about it and put our thoughts on the table, then how could we expect homosexuality to ever gain acceptance?

Or do we even care? Is it okay that gay athletes should be afraid to come out of the closet?

[Dr. Strangejazz]

I agree there should be a public discussion.

But let's consider the following things:

-Say an athlete comes out of the closet. How does it affect the ticket sales for said team? How many fans will turn around any say "f*ck that I'm not gonna see those (fill in the blank with homophob comment) play.

-What if this player is popular does him coming out of the closet affect his merch and endorsements?

-Will the public respect a player who is gay and a professional athlete?

-How will that kind of thing affect the other players in the league? Do you think that some guys will try extra hard to hurt said gay player on the field?

[Art Vandelay]

Not sure I follow you, Assman. Are you responding to me or are you just making a general statement. If you're responding to me, you didn't follow where I was going.

I find the fact that Isiah has gotten all this praise from the media just for saying that he doesn't have a problem with gays, more insulting to gay people than Hardaway saying he hates them.

[Dr. Strangejazz]

"Is it okay that gay athletes should be afraid to come out of the closet?"

Yes it is perfectly resonable that they are afraid to come out.

[Assman]

Nah - not responding to you, Art. Just talking about the whole idea of getting people's opinions on the matter and printing them in the media. I'm for it. How we react to those opinions, like you said, can be very telling.

And Strangejazz - I don't think it should be okay. If you're gay, you shouldn't feel unwelcome in your workplace because of it.

[Assman]

And Jazz - consider the Lakers.

Did they lose ticket sales when the world thought Kobe was a lying, raping ass? He lost public support and some endorsements, sure - and I'm pretty sure he took a ton of shit from other players for breaking locker room code and telling the cops Shaq does the same thing.

But he's not dead. And his career is still going. I think it'd probably suck for the guy for a while, but I'm pretty sure we'd get past it.

(And, for the record, I'm not equaing homosexuality to rape. I'm just saying both might equal a hit to an athlete's PR.)

[Art Vandelay]

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

(someone had to)

[Art Vandelay]

Here's a question. Why is Hardaway taking so much heat if he's really homophobic like he admitted? I'm arachnophobic and people don't have a problem with the fact that I hate spiders.

[Bobby P]

He did more than just say he hates them. He went so far as to say, "It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."

That's hate speech, by any definition.

[Dr. Strangejazz]

"And Strangejazz - I don't think it should be okay. If you're gay, you shouldn't feel unwelcome in your workplace because of it."

Sorry if you took it that way. I mean if you are a gay athlete it is reasonable for you to feel unwelcome because the climate of the league is such to make you feel unwelcome. Does that make sense?

[Dr. Strangejazz]

(And, for the record, I'm not equaing homosexuality to rape. I'm just saying both might equal a hit to an athlete's PR.)

@Assman: Big difference is that Kobe didn't go to trial.

Let me ask ya this do you think that if it was a man instead of a woman that Kobe would still be playing for the Lakers? HELL NO.

[Art Vandelay]

Oh. I didn't read that part. Thanks Bob.

[HBomb]

Tim Hard(on)away is so on the downlow with Michael Strahan and many of these other homophobes like Lebron.....Methinks these guys doth protesteth a bit too much....

And how is this guy any different than Michael Richards? He's not, at all...People choose to be gay with the same frequency as people choose skin color...

Double fucking standards.....Hate speech is hate speech

[Assman]

Art,
Part of the reason he's taking heat is because while it's just his opinion, it unfortunately enables a lot of people who agree with him to escalate the matter. Right now, there's some guy who's thinking "Yeah - they shouldn't be allowed in the USA. I can't wait to get to work and beat the shit out of Eric and tell him to move to France."

It's not fair - I admit - but, yeah, hate breeds hate. All it takes is one dude to yell "string him up" before a tense situation turns into a lynch mob.

Jazz,
Nah, Kobe would be proper fucked if it was a dude. We all know this. I'm just saying, while it wouldn't be accepted, it should be, and that it'll never be accepted until after the first time it happens. Sorta like Magic with HIV. Sometimes you have to breach the subject and confront someone with it (Karl Malone) before public opinion can start to change.

[HBomb]

Anybody want to articulate how "I hate gay people" is any different than "I hate (name your ethnic group/race/etc.)?"

So who gives a flying fuck what Tim Hard-on thinks anyway? Seriously, when I'm listening to NBA/NFL players (aka ~1000 seriously ignorant-ass motherfuckers)about opinions on world affairs, please put a shotgun in my mouth and end it.....

I think Phil Jackson summed it up best when asked why he doesn't give out books to his players anymore on road trips, he said "All they can do is play video games and watch porn movies."

[Art Vandelay]

Anybody want to articulate how "I hate gay people" is any different than "I hate (name your ethnic group/race/etc.)?"

Who said it was?

[Dr. Strangejazz]

@Assman: Yeah it should be accepted and to a certain degree it is but in sports it's gonna take a miracle.

Consider the factors I brought up in my earlier post. Attendence, the attitudes of the players, the attitudes of the fans.

Basically if a active gay athlete came out the team would lose $$. But that's just a theory. From my perspective it's not about hate as it is about how much money will be lost.

[Assman]

Jazz,

Mark Cuban would say just trade him to Golden State and see how many folks cross the Bay to fill the arena.....

[DFS]

If thats how he feels, thats how he feels. I think it makes him an asshole, but I hate the bullshit apology afterwards even.

And no, no active player in the major sports has ever come out.

[DFS]

I meant to say i hate the bullshit apology even more

[Jack Klompus]

"I'm arachnophobic and people don't have a problem with the fact that I hate spiders."

How do you feel about gay spiders?

[M. Butler]

Is it illegal not to like gay people?

[M. Butler]

Here's a question: if scientists can identify the trait/gene/hormone that leads to homosexuality and eliminate/fix it, should that be considered wrong? So, while a baby is still in the womb, doctors identify that the child will potentially be homosexual, but they can inject some hormone to "cure" it, is that ethically wrong? What percentage of parents do you think would choose to inject the hormone?

I don't know why, but lets say parents could change race as well with a hormone shot (asian parents can have a black baby). What percentage of parents do you think would choose to inject the hormone to change their baby to a different race?