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February 26, 2007

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Babu

"So all you cyclists out there: Eat a dick."

You just offended the shit out of me and several other readers on this board. Maybe the cyclists you dealt with were jackasses, not all of us are and we have every right to be out on the roads.

I'll agree that not riding in single file and making it difficult for cars to get by is a dick move, and whenever I am out riding and see cyclists doing this, I reprimand them, you should take the time to do the same, but at least give cyclists respect, they aren't contributing to obesity like your lazy, car-driving everywhere ass is.

That being said, I ride a lot, and have dealt with a lot more shithead drivers than cyclists, in an area of a state where a ton of people ride (Boulder, CO). People who buzz you as close as possible, people who throw shit out of windows at me, drunk/weaving drivers, people who get right behind you and honk or yell to startle me (believe it or not, we can't always hear the car behind us). So for all you asshole drivers, eat a bag of dicks and respect cyclilsts who respect cars, as for the rest of them giving us a bad name, fuck 'em too.

jackie

"You just offended the shit out of me and several other readers on this board."

Boo-fucking-whoo.

Jack Klompus

"You just offended the shit out of me and several other readers on this board."

Home run.

"but at least give cyclists respect, they aren't contributing to obesity like your lazy, car-driving everywhere ass is."

Sorry, spandex man. I have an hour drive to work (and small child). A thirty-mile bike ride to and from is not gonna cut it. Believe it or not, one can still drive a car and stay fit without mashing his testicles on a bike seat for hours at a time.

Steve H.

I'm one of them road cyclists, but I agree that it's a real dick move to jump ahead at the light and make all of the cars pass you again, unless there's a nice wide shoulder for you to ride on.

That said, there have been (rare) times when I have known that a driver behind me would try to pass if I let him, and that doing so would be dangerous because of road conditions or oncoming traffic. So I have stayed far enough in the lane to prevent him from passing, until I got to a safer sport. As far as I'm concerned, that driver's inconvenience is not equivalent to my own personal safety.

Art Vandelay

I don't really experience this with cyclists as I don't see too may of them but ditto for people that walk slow but stand side by side going down a hall or a stairway so I can't get by. Perhaps it's my fault that I'm always in a hurry but give me a fucking lane, people!!!

jackie

Yet another reason you could never live in Manhattan. A few hours in Times Square during the summer and you'd be ready to shoot yourself.

Art Vandelay

Yet another reason you could never live in Manhattan. A few hours in Times Square during the summer and you'd be ready to shoot yourself.

I was.

M. Butler

Why don't you cycle on a cycling path? Cycling is not a valid mode of transportation anymore (unless you have multiple DUIs), its entertainment. If you can't entertain yourself without inconveniencing others, you are a no-class ass clown.

(While I wouldn't wing a cyclist with my door, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing someone else do it)

Art Vandelay

I think if you're a cyclist, you should have to have your limbs ripped off by a grizzly bear and then dropped into the desert from a helicopter for the vultures to finish you off. It's really the only rational way of dealing with you punks.

Babu

Cycling path? You try hooking up 60-100miles of cycling paths in most of the places you all live. And I don't see why cycling couldn't be a valid mode of transportation, if cycling lanes and public transportation were expanded, we wouldn't be in all the trouble we are in right now.

Then again, you all keep doing what you are doing, just stay the fuck out of my town when yours is underwater.

Steve H.

Cycling paths?

As Babu said, there's no way those are adequate. Plus, cycling paths are taken up by kids, pedestrians, etc.

If they would just build roads a little bit wider, ensuring an adequate shoulder, this wouldn't be an issue.

Cyclists have to be careful, though, not to rely too much on the "we have a right to the road" argument. Not only is it a circular argument, but it's beside the point.

M. Butler is right that for most cyclists, cycling is entertainment and/or exercise, not a necessity. Thus, regardless of whether a cyclist has a legal right to use a road, at some point simple politeness would suggest that if riding on a road is going to cause major inconvenience for a great number of people, maybe you shouldn't do it. It's just selfish.

Babu

So by that rationale, all the people heading up to the hamptons on the weekends are going for entertainment, not a necessity, and should get off the roads and stay in the city so that vehicles conducting business can get out there with no traffic?

Steve H.

Babu, they are going to the Hamptons for entertainment, but in order to get there, they have to drive. The driving itself is something of a necessity (I don't want to get too much into semantics -- obviously not every use of a road is an absolute, do-it-or-die type of necessity).

Let's face it -- roads are paid for primarily through gasoline taxes, to the tune of billions of dollars per year. Taxpayers are paying that money to facilitate driving, not bike riding. So if it comes down to who has priority on a paved highway, it's gotta be the cars.

Like I said, I ride on roads all the time. But I pick roads that are either wide enough, or quiet enough, that my presence will not cause a lot of problems.

DFS

There is a group of bikers called Critical Mass who used to on a regular basis in San Francisco take to the streets en mass on their bikes. The traffic congestion would be horrible (as San Fran is one of the worst cities to drive in already) and that was part of their point, to encourage alternative transportation, preserve the environment, etc. I agreed with all that in theory, but it was a pain in the ass to deal with, especially when one of them sideswiped my parked car, broke my rear view mirror then left some note with a number that turned out to be disconnected.

My hatred has not subsided....

howard in nyc

critical mass tried that mess in nyc. with less success. the cops used big nets stretched across the avenue to scoop em up when they ran red lights.

Bobby P

Do you hate all golfers too because one fucker hit into you?

Nice work upholding my concept of you and most right wingers. Hating an entire group because of one asshole.

Fitting.

Jack Klompus

"Nice work upholding my concept of you and most right wingers. Hating an entire group because of one asshole."

DFS a right winger? Who knew?

alan

"the cops used big nets stretched across the avenue to scoop em up when they ran red lights."

and if someone has a picture of this, i would love to see it...that might help to dispel some of my hatred toward bikers

Bobby P

I ride for health, enjoyment, and yes, locomotion. When I do, I observe all traffic laws, and do my best to ride as closely to the edge as I can. I get bitter because I've been ran off the road before by some fucknut that shares Klompus' mentality, even though there was plenty of space for the guy to pass me without even slowing down. Because of fuckers like that, I have to ride more defensively.

I understand how annoying it is when people ride in groups like idiots. It frustrates me as well because its people like them that make it less safe for me to ride.

But honestly, how much time did those guy's cost you? One, two minutes at the most? And you want to fucking seriously harm them? Well done.

Assman

My wife is an avid cyclist and her friends are all avid cyclists. I eat with these people, and, on occasion, have gone biking with them.

Aside from silently giggling at them for dressing like gay X-men characters in public, I also like to ask them questions when I see them pull dick moves like:
a.) ignoring stop signs because "no biker stops at those."
b.) inventing lanes and riding between cars that are stopped at an intersection, etc.

They always respond the same. "We do it because we can." Then when I ask if that's fair because, as a driver, I have to treat them like a car, they respond, "No, and that sucks for you."

Very funny. So I'm with Klompus on this one. I treat the biker like a car, then as soon as I see a dick move like skipping between cars, I say screw it and run past him. He brought it on himself.

Jack Klompus

"And you want to fucking seriously harm them?"

Bobby, are you this dumb in real life?

Bobby P

Klump - yes, I am this dumb. Every day. It's fucking painful, especially when confronted with such a vastly superior intellect like you.

If I had the choice of being brushed by a car on foot or on a bike, I'll take it on foot a thousand times.

As I said, I've been run off the road by someone who, much like you, couldn't be inconvenienced for fifteen seconds. The only thing that kept me from breaking both collarbones was the superior coordination and physical strength I've attained from a lifetime of digging ditches, which is the only vocation a man of my mien may achieve.

Jack Klompus

"As I said, I've been run off the road by someone who, much like you, couldn't be inconvenienced for fifteen seconds."

If you read correctly, you'd remember that I did wait to pass them safely (more than a mile, which is more than 15 seconds), despite the fact that the only thing preventing me from passing safely in the first place was the fact that the front 2 guys were riding abreast.

As for your little rundown, how do you know it was out of inconvenience? Were they yelling "This is a tremendous inconvenience!" as they were running you off the road? Maybe they just didn't like your jerkoff face, your jerkoff outfit, and your jerkoff bike. Maybe they didn't like you, jerkoff.

Bobby P

I don't wear the jerkoff outfit.

Again, my main point is that, yes, there are assholes out there on bikes. That doesn't make every person on a bike an asshole.

There are few things that piss me off worse than getting run off the road by some redneck fucker when he could easily have passed me without even slowing down. I can't even put it into words.

Jack Klompus

"I don't wear the jerkoff outfit."

I'm sure you don't. I was only making a Big Lebowski reference

"Again, my main point is that, yes, there are assholes out there on bikes. That doesn't make every person on a bike an asshole."

Yes, thank you for restating the obvious. After those trigger-happy, racist cop discussions, it should be an unwritten rule here that unless we're talking Nazis or slaveowners or something like that, an entire group is not necessarily guilty by association.

Babu

"unless we're talking Nazis or slaveowners or something like that, an entire group is not necessarily guilty by association."
-Klompus, 2/24

"So all you cyclists out there: Eat a dick."
-Klompus, 2/23

hmm...

Jack Klompus

"unless we're talking Nazis or slaveowners or something like that, an entire group is not necessarily guilty by association."
-Klompus, 2/24

"So all you cyclists out there: Eat a dick."
-Klompus, 2/23"

hmm...

Thanks, I remember what I wrote. You want to play semantics, great for you. My 2/24 point was that when someone highlights a flaw in a group and addresses them as "all," it should be implied that the literal "all" is not intended; that the accuser doesn't mean that everyone in that group is necessarily flawed as well -- unless you are talking about a group that couldn't possibly have such exceptions by virtue (i.e., Nazis).

Either way, who cares. The fact that Bobby actually wondered aloud if I would "fucking seriously harm" cyclists for rude beavior (or even discuss it beforehand) makes it all worth it. Well, that and getting to offend you.

SLaird22

I bet Klompus drives a Kia.

Babu

I'd put my money on Klompus riding a Huffy with a baby seat on the back,

Bobby P

Klompus, that is incredibly weak. I wonder how well Jackie or The Big O would take it if you used that same logic "all doesn't necessarily imply 'all'" and applied it to, say, black people.

DFS

"Nice work upholding my concept of you and most right wingers. Hating an entire group because of one asshole."

DFS a right winger? Who knew?"

I'm saying Klompus...I go to bed a pinko commie liberal and wake up a goddamn member of the John Birch society...wtf?

And way to spout the facile analogy Bobby P, because we all know that being a cyclist is EXACTLY IDENTICAL to being black.

Jack Klompus

"Klompus, that is incredibly weak. I wonder how well Jackie or The Big O would take it if you used that same logic "all doesn't necessarily imply 'all'" and applied it to, say, black people."

Bobby, now you're just being plain silly. Trying to drum up support from the AofG black community. Talk about incredibly weak.

Anyway, I shouldn't have to qualify something so obvious. It goes without saying that I've never driven behind every cyclist in the world so I couldn't possibly know if ALL cyclists are like the ones I keep noticing. Plus the fact that I probably don't notice all the non-douchebag cyclists that I've driven by because they didn't get in my way (and didn't get my attention). Why is that so hard to grasp?

Bobby P

I'm not trying to drum up support out of any community. I was just trying to point out that your convenient backpeddle can be taken to a not so pleasant extreme.

Regardless, you told me and mine to eat a dick. How else am I supposed to interpret that?

What's it say again? "If this were an isolated incident, I might let it slide. But it's not. So all you cyclists out there: Eat a dick. Don't be surprised one of these days if you get the Eddie-Murphy-in-48-Hours car door treatment."

As I stated previously, I am not a smart man. But even though I have to read that aloud, I'm still able to put together that I am a cyclist, and am therefore told to eat a dick. And you're stunned that would piss me off? Fucking hell.

Bobby P

Fuck it. I'm quitting this shit and moving to Amsterdam. Ten times as many bikes as cars, legal drugs and prostitution, and fantastic access to the rest of Europe.

Later y'all. If you need me you'll be able to find me at Stone's Cafe on the patio. I'll the one in spandex smoking the sticky.

Jack Klompus

"And you're stunned that would piss me off?"

Well, yes. I'm glad it pissed you off, but I'm suprised nonetheless.

Driving Fan

The conflict on this topic is understandable. As my handle implies, I
definitely enjoy the twisties in a car with some displacement. But as a
cyclist, I enjoy finding a quiet road and taking a long ride, although
sometimes I find myself on busy roads, at which time I do my best to
keep out of the way. Have I been pissed at cyclists while in my car?
Sure. I've certainly honked at them. Have I been pissed at cyclists
while on my bike? Absolutely. In fact, there's a bunch of folks in
Central Park that are extraordinarily arrogant towards other cyclists.
I hope they find a nice oil patch someday...

But the anger here is, to me, excessive (understanding that I probably
would have exercised less caution, dropped a gear, and loudly passed the
DB cyclists in the scenario described by Mr. Klompus). I assure you that
I just about lose it when I'm driving and I can't get around a slower
car, let alone cyclists taking up too much of the road (Coz and Frank
will attest to this, as will Jose Senna). But that doesn't mean that I
tell a whole group of people (even if I may or may not mean all of them)
to EAD. And if I did, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if somebody
took offense. Regardless of how it was meant, the statement was f-ed
up. That's why you have Babu all bent out of shape. And I don't blame
him.

Furthermore, the claim that cyclists have no right to use the road is
unfounded. Most cyclists, as was pointed out before, hit the road on
their bikes for exercise/recreation. The vast majority of those people
drive cars on a daily basis. They also pay government and state taxes.
Cyclists pay for the right to use the road just like everybody else.

Glenn Morgan

I drive a car and ride a bike. I have made mistakes both driving a car and cycling but don't think I deserve to be abused or given the "Eddie Murphy Door treatment" just because I am not a perfect driver or cyclist.

I am Australian and presume the "....Door treatment...." means causing bodily harm and injury.

As a cyclist I have taken a lot of unprovoked verbal abuse from motorists and even have had items thrown at me for no apparent reason. I just accept there are jerks out there and then I forget about it.

A bit of tolerance, respect and forgiveness would be seem to be more appropreiate and inteligent in my view. We all have to share this imperfect world and get on together - (unfortunately for all of us there are always going to be nutters out there with some distorted and angry view point).

Mr Klompus I cannot imagine you are that perfect a motorist that you have a divine right to condem with so much vemon and even wish injury to other legally intitled road users like yourself.

Your harsh words seem like pure evil to me. My heart goes out to your troubled state and hope you will find some peace from this. Maybe try riding a bike - it's calming and good for the soul.

Billy

If Glenn Morgan's post was for serious, that was nothing short of hilarious. If it was a joke, well, not bad. And I'm with SLaird. He definitely drives a Kia.

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