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Kramer

Y'all ARE always talking in theatres and ruining plays and movies.

aaron

now Kramer, you know black folks don't go to plays unless they're "Mama, I want to Sing" genre.

Kramer

Finally got the Video to work. The blogger formally known as Kramer shall now be referred to as Ocho Ocho.

The big O

Wow, reading the comments that people made on that site is just incredible. Apparently white folks think we're even. Was I ill on repairations day? How do people come out with the whole double standard argument? Cats were on there saying stupid shit like "well if blacks can call each other nigga why can't we??" Kill that fuckin bullshit right there, first off don't worry about what the fuck we call each other, mind your own you'll live long. It seems to me that alot of those people who commented are just itchin to use America's favorite slur. It's funny to me how white people get up in arms about being called a cracker or a redneck, personally I think you should be happy that that's all that happens, I think most minorities (I detest that word and it only applies to the narrow minded viewpoint of this country, cause we all know who's got the numbers on a global scale) would be well within their rights to fuck y'all up on sight for all the bullshit your ancestors perpetrated over the years. News flash muthafuckas ITS NOT EVEN, NOT EVEN CLOSE. Oh and I am most definatly an African American, and all you white people are European Americans, don't get it twisted, the only original Americans are the indigenous natives, that your ancestors slaughtered and raped and infested with your diseases. Did somebody get caught up in the biased view of "history" that they teach in our schools? I personally think people should be able to say what they like, if you want to call me a nigger, by all means knock yourself out, because I'm going to when that word leaves your lips.

There was a great comment on that site. I can't remember who it was by but someone pointed out that there are hecklers at every show, you are a "professional" comedian, you should be able to outwit some hecklers witout resorting to shouting racial slurs at them. I wish they would have jumped on stage and whooped his monkey ass, now that would be a video worth watching.

He's a fuckin washed up douchebag and was the least funny member of the Seinfeld cast, IMO, fuck 'im.

Jack Klompus

Speaking of sticking a fuckin' fork in something....how about Richards' already fledgling career. See ya, Michael. Enjoy the rest of your days in the rural Midwest.

"would be well within their rights to fuck y'all up on sight for all the bullshit your ancestors perpetrated over the years."

O, using that line of thinking, you might also want to seek out all the descendants of the African slave owners that sold them to the European-American slave owners. Slaves in America weren't exactly free statesmen in Africa that just happened to be plucked off the street shoved onto a boat. As well, if everyone took that approach, it wouldn't be difficult to find another whose ancestral lineage somehow fucked with theirs.

Aside from that, I don't take responsibility for the actions of other white people, past or present. I take responsibility for my actions and my children's actions. I learn from them, yes. But I don't apologize because we share the same lineage.

ddd

Next week on Fox:

If I Was A Racial Bigot Who Wanted To End His Career Immediately .... by Michael Richards

The big O

Klompus,

"Slaves in America weren't exactly free statesmen in Africa that just happened to be plucked off the street shoved onto a boat."

This line here seems to be the moral lifeline that I've heard so many white people cling to, "Well sure we took slaves but they were sold to us by other Africans" while that may be true in a minority (hey look I've used that word properly) of situations the norm was straight up abduction, don't get it twisted there wasn't like some black on black flea market ya'll just stumbled upon where we were just dyin to sell each other at rock bottom prices. No dude the MO was abduction, and you know this so just stop, please.

lattalayne

Not that it matters, but the Muslims were the original slave traders. The word "slave" finds its origins in the word "Slavic" as eastern Europeans were the predominant slave race early on. Muslims travelled eastern Europe buying slaves and taking them back to sell in the Persian slave markets.

In southern Africa, Tetse(sp?)Flies posed a huge problem to the Muslim ivory trade. All of the hooved animals they would ordinarily use to transport the ivory to the markets of northeastern Africa would be decimated by the flies. Black slaves were their solution. The ivory merchants bought black slaves and used them to carry the ivory to market, then sold the slaves when they reached their destination.

And, yes, blacks did sell blacks into slavery. In fact, in the Treaty of 652AD, the king of Nubia agreed to give to the Nation of Islam an annual payment of a number of his people (the exact number seems to be lost) for certain considerations.

So if you want to go back and blame the people who originally started buying and selling black slaves, blame the folks in North Africa. The Europeans learned it from them.

Jack Klompus

Big O, first of all there is no 'we.' I was not complicit in taking slaves. Just as I was not involved in emancipation. It's not historically possible. I don't have "a people." I'm sorry, it just doesn't work that way.

Second of all, you seem to single out white Europeans as the most egregious of African enslavers. Take a look at your Muslim friends, for example, and see how they treated your African ancestors. Hey, I'm not saying it was okay for Dwight because other people did it first. However, in your crusade to crucify the Cracker, try to be a little consistent when judging evil.

jackie

I usually stay out of this stuff, but all of this chicken and egg shit is really a waste of fucking bandwith.

To hold entire races of people today accountable for the actions of certain individuals hundreds of years ago is fucking retarded.

Jack Klompus

"To hold entire races of people today accountable for the actions of certain individuals hundreds of years ago is fucking retarded."

Thank you for getting to the point a lot faster than I could.

The big O

Lattalayne, yes I know all of that. It doesn't have anything to do with the Dutch and spanish raping Africa for the labor forces needed to build America. But thanks for the history revision.

"However, in your crusade to crucify the Cracker, try to be a little consistent when judging evil."


Klompus, I'm not talking about the history of Slave trading in general. I was talking about the Atlantic Triangle. Sure muslims did this, & Muslims did that, we all know about your nuke the Muslims policy.

"To hold entire races of people today accountable for the actions of certain individuals hundreds of years ago is fucking retarded."

Jackie, Word bruh? That's your opinion and thats great and all, I'm glad you can forgive. But with all of the Native American and African American blood in my lineage, I can't fogive as easily as you. If that makes me wrong, oh the fuck well, I'm a wrong muthafucka then. For you to say hundreds of years ago is kind of disgusting to me though, as I wasn't aware of the stoppage of the racist policies of this countries government. If it's all sweet and dandy in your world though that's nice. Where I come from I've experienced racism from as early as I can remember. Our country is in the middle east right now fuckin with the darkies over some fuckin bullshit like oil, unless you believe that bullshit about WMD's. The cost of the bombs we dropped on Iraq at the start of this war would easily have re-build the Tsunami ravaged area of asia and still have a bunch left over for the real problems of the world like starvation and disease, and not "not being able to gas up my fuckin Hummeritis" that is running rampant in our country. Also I don't see how it was just the actions of certain individuals when the minority in those times were people who didn't own slaves. It wasn't just like 15 people involved in the slave trade, try 15 million or so.


This is not the point though, the point is that some dumb ass comedian couldn't properly outwit some hecklers, and instead he used racial slurs. I addressed the 'we're even' mentallity of some of the commenters on that forum. I still haven't had anyone even so much as attempt to answer how the fuck we're even. Just had a bunch of people jump down my throat about my feelings on Dwight's MO. Now if you all want to pile on a brotha that's fine we'll just call it an exercise on how a white woman feels daily.

Maine

Lots of semi-coherent comments on that site. All I have to say is:

a.) Pro comedians get heckled all the time. It's part of the job. If I wait tables at Cracker Barrel and my customer is a jackass, I don't get to slap the shit out of him, whether he deserves it or not. He's got to outwit them or ask to have them removed.

b.) There's a difference between a comedy act and calling someone a racial slur in an attempt to belittle them. If Chris Rock goes on stage and belittles specific white people in the crowd outside of his act, then he's out of line. But that's not what he does, so people like him and Jackie Martling and Lisa Lampanelli don't get this kind of reaction.

c.) I might have expected this out of Costanza... but Kramer was a shock.

SLaird22

I'm excited for the day when Big O attacks me on the street because I'm white.

SLaird22

Also...we know that Hollywood actors hate Jews and black people now. Why are they bashing the President again? They would probably all get along well.

Maine

And, what the hell...

d.) I lean more toward Big O than the rest of y'all on this. Not only is racism not gone, but honestly, it still really really sucks to be on the brown team. There's all kinds of crap working against you every single day, whether its legally authorized or not. There is no "even" in that context.

And just like because of history, you can't be surprised when Terrell Owens acts like a big baby and because of history, you can't expect Alex Rodriguez to come through in a big game, because of history there is no safe occasion where a white person can call a black person that word. None. My wife is white, and if she ever called me a n*gger, she'd be on the fucking street trying to hold her teeth in her mouth. There's just too much involved with that word. It's too loaded. So you can't be "equal" yet in that capacity. Like O says, it's just not even close.

jackie

"Jackie, Word bruh? That's your opinion and thats great and all, I'm glad you can forgive. But with all of the Native American and African American blood in my lineage, I can't fogive as easily as you. If that makes me wrong, oh the fuck well, I'm a wrong muthafucka then. For you to say hundreds of years ago is kind of disgusting to me though, as I wasn't aware of the stoppage of the racist policies of this countries government."

Before you trip too far over the stupidity bar, I will remind you that the context of the conversation was the slave trade.

I can exchange racist stories with you all day, champ.

If you think you are somehow blacker than the next guy by going on an all-inclusive rant on every issue that touches on race in the slighest, I'll have to politely tell you to go fuck yourself.

jackie

"d.) I lean more toward Big O than the rest of y'all on this. Not only is racism not gone, but honestly, it still really really sucks to be on the brown team. There's all kinds of crap working against you every single day, whether its legally authorized or not. There is no "even" in that context."

Entirely fair point. One I wholeheartedly agree with.

It's the borderline "all white people are devils" crap that I quite frankly can do without.

lattalayne

What was the topic again? I lost track somewhere between Chris Rock and the Trans-Saharan Slave Trade Route...It's that damned Big O again, always getting off the subject.

Jack Klompus

"as I wasn't aware of the stoppage of the racist policies of this countries government."

What is an example of a racist policy our country's government?

Ocho Ocho

Many salient points raised. Last I saw Richards was a jackass and one man, not the Barometer of a Nation.

Ocho Ocho

Racist point number one: Selling Crack in a ghetto gets you 20 years. Being John Zacharro and getting caught with 2Kilos gets you a law degree and a successful practice.

Ocho Ocho

Pre-empting the OJ counter: He is still anathema and rightly so.

Ocho Ocho

Pre-empting the OJ counter: He is still anathema and rightly so.

The big O

"If you think you are somehow blacker than the next guy by going on an all-inclusive rant on every issue that touches on race in the slighest"

That's what I'm thinkin, yep, that's it right there.

"Before you trip too far over the stupidity bar"

Whoops, too late, you know me, it's hard to schuck and jive with that fuckin bar there.

"I'll have to politely tell you to go fuck yourself."

Do you bruh, do you.

"What is an example of a racist policy our country's government?"

Damnit Klompus you got me I was hoping you wouldn't go there dadgummit & shucky darns, I'm converted, NUKE THE DARKIES!!!


Jackie, just ban me if it's that fuckin serious, it's you site dude, I'm just a squirell tryin to get a nut off.

SLaird22

I understand the reasons for making crack punishment high since it is a killer, but that is a great argument and one I agree with. Just because you haven't cooked it with baking soda yet doesn't mean that just having coke (and that much of it) should let you off easier.

But I think there is a huge difference between racist government policies and racist people in the government. I also wonder if everybody was the same color, maybe we could all shut the hell up. I agree with Jackie (on everything except my moving to Miami).

Cozmo

Damn,

It's been a while since since I've attacted this much attention in these parts.

May be time to change my Avatar to "The Drake"

Yikes.

The big O

"I'm excited for the day when Big O attacks me on the street because I'm white."

SLaird22, I usually enjoy what you have to say, but that's just silly. I recognize all of the things that have been perpetrated by white Americans against brown Americans. I do not hate the other man, I just love the brother man. I am not worried about you and yours, I am worried about me and mine. If there is a way for us to live as human beings and we are allowed to be truly equal, than I am all for it. I hate no one, ok fine Ben Rothlisberger I fuckin hate, but no one else. If I saw you walkin down the street and you were being attacked, I'm the type of MF that would assist you.

jackie

"Jackie, just ban me if it's that fuckin serious..."

Is this a continuation of the exercise on how a white woman feels daily?

The big O

Sure, if you say so. What's up man, what's beef?

SLaird22

Big O, I know you wouldnt attack me on the street because I am white. Come on now. I was just playing on something you said earlier (and yeah, I know I took it out of context, but I have never had much use for context).

I just hate most race talk, race cards (whether legit or not), prolonged discussion of most race issues, and the stupid 10k races we had to watch during track and wait until they would finish so we could get back on the bus and go to the hotel.

SLaird22

And you wouldn't attack me on the streets cause I'm a freakin beast. But that's a different matter.

The big O

"It's the borderline "all white people are devils" crap that I quite frankly can do without."

When the fuck did I say this? My point was how is shit even, to the point where the past should be forgotten and forgiven? I bring up the main body of offense that tipped the fuckin scale in the first place and you take it as "all white people are devils"?????? Wow.

lattalayne

I can say with a great deal of first hand experience that the only color your/our/my government is interested in is green. On a local level, I've seen many times where both black and white developers who have plenty of money have gotten away with some very shady dealings. As long as the money is green, they don't care what color the hand is that is giving it to them.
It was the same thing with OJ. If he'd been poor, he'd have been found guilty pretty damned quick.

jackie

"My point was how is shit even, to the point where the past should be forgotten and forgiven?"

You'll have to excuse me if it took me awhile to figure out that this was "your point." You took an extremely tortured trail of getting there and fit club notwithstandhing, I'm not quite as nimble as I used to be.

The big O

Size matters not. If you did something to deserve an ass whoopin, you gon' catch an ass whoopin. You'll just be a big muthafucka that took an ass whoopin. It happens. And the only beast I fear hides behind a badge and gun, and it's not him I fear it's his prison system which is an example of a racist government policy. You see that Klompus, 2 birds one big ass rock. What?

The big O

"You'll have to excuse me if it took me awhile to figure out that this was "your point." "

Wow dude. Ok.

"Wow, reading the comments that people made on that site is just incredible. Apparently white folks think we're even. Was I ill on repairations day? "

Second sentence, champ.

ddd

This thread has rapidly deteriorating. This is not a race war. Michael Richards does not speak for all white people just as (insert favorite black race batter here) does not speak for all black people.

Richards launched a disgusting tirade that should end what is left of his career. Every American, regardless of race, should distance themselves from such conduct.

Lets all just take a deep breath and relax and all agree that Richards' slurs are repulsive and he should be ostracized.

jackie

"I bring up the main body of offense that tipped the fuckin scale in the first place and you take it as "all white people are devils"?????? Wow."

If you read a little bit more closely, you will see that I am talking body of work.

With that in mind, I would say with about 100% certainty that I am not the only person reading this site who has gotten a "borderline all white people are devils" feel from your rantings on race.

Matter of fact, I'll just ask: Has anybody else?

I honestly don't know why you apparently have your panties so far up in a bunch -- we disagree, we disagree -- it happens.

To borrow your own phrase: Do you.

If I feel you say some dumb shit? I will point it out.

If I feel you say some insightful shit? I will point it out.

If I feel you say some funny shit? I will point that out too.

Maine

If we're taking votes, I've never gotten the "all whites are devils" vibe from Big O. Just more of the "they treat blacks like shit" perspective and some "here's another example of how blacks are oppressed" thing. If there's any disdain there, it's for police.

But, then again, I was gone for a few months, so I may have missed some shit.

lattalayne

quote: "Lattalayne, yes I know all of that. It doesn't have anything to do with the Dutch and spanish raping Africa for the labor forces needed to build America. But thanks for the history revision."

History revision?! What the fuck did I "revise"? It is a very well documented fact that the originators of the slave trade in Africa and in Europe were the Nations of Islam (Arabs, Berbers, etc.). It is also a documanted fact that to this very day Arabs in Mauritania continue to own black slaves. Now I'm sorry if this doesn't fit in with your pre-conceived notions about the history of slavery.

You also seem to have a problem accepting that blacks sold other blacks out of Africa. You seem to be denying that kings sold their conquered combatants, that some people sold their children into slavery to repay debts.

Evidently your version of slave history starts somewhere around 1500 with a bunch of whiteys chasing scared darkies through the jungles with big butterfly nets? Wonder how many white men it took to catch the estimated 11 million black slaves that were sold out of Africa? Damn, they musta been pretty handy with those butterfly nets, huh?

Seems to me the only one around here doing any revising of history is you.

ddd

http://www.tmz.com/

BREAKING NEWS: FOX CANCELS OJ SPECIAL

lattalayne

ddd, i agree...

The big O

"With that in mind, I would say with about 100% certainty that I am not the only person reading this site who has gotten a "borderline all white people are devils" feel from your rantings on race.

Matter of fact, I'll just ask: Has anybody else?
"


Me me me me me, oooh oooh pick me, I do, I do.

"-- we disagree, we disagree -- it happens. "

True but I will never call you out your name about it. That's why panties got bunched (don't know how the fuck you found out my penchant for womens drawers).

a. I'll have to politely tell you to go fuck yourself.

b. champ.

c. Before you trip too far over the stupidity bar.

Disagreemennts are part of life, smarmy sarcastic shit, not so much.

ddd

Better OJ link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/business/21simpsoncnd.html?hp&ex=1164085200&en=09f864e41d15dc24&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Lattalayne,

Chill, jesus. Revise means, to go back over (basically) right? Like at the start of a new school year you revise what you did last year correct? I was just saying that you were revising history not rewriting history everything you said was correct. I WAS NOT INSULTING YOU. FUCK!!!

The big O

It's all good Maine. I appreciate the assist, but I rub cats the wrong fuckin way sometimes. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Ces la vie.

jackie

"Disagreements are part of life, smarmy sarcastic shit, not so much."

Well, in my "sweet and dandy" world -- where as a black man in America I've never experienced any racism -- that "smarmy sarcastic shit" is a way of life.

Look, to be fair, we both suffered from the "panties in bunches." You would be equally within the right to say same thing about me.

At this point, I just say we just agree to move on, while noting that I most definitely look better in panties than you do.

The big O

"Well, in my "sweet and dandy" world -- where as a black man in America I've never experienced any racism --"

Did I not preface that with 'if'?? I did, it's not my fault if you took it as an attack.

Fine, let's move on. Lattalayne and Klompus are givin me more than I can handle anyways.

Lattalayne,

My bad, I used the wrong word, you were correct in your reaction. I meant review. It was my mistake and I apologize. I was misusing the word revise. Ignorance is bliss I guess because I was blissfully unaware of my mistake and was righteouslsy arguing a lost cause. It's been a long day.

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