Can Someone Please Make Him Go Away?

Like my man Bluehorseshoe said, "Doing his best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory ... again." And seriously, between him and Gore -- two losers in the same rigamortis pod (hat tip: briandtw) -- you wouldn't be too crazy if you thought the Dems were trying to lose. I mean really, is it too much to ask for someone with a friggin' pulse?

(Thanks for the pic, Scottie!)

Comments

[Nominal Me]

To have a party with a pulse, you need to be a party with ideas. It will be a while.

[daveNYC]

John K is a fucking zombie, but on those (rare) occasions that Gore pulls that stick out of his ass, he can be pretty charasmatic dude.

At the rate that GW is burning his approval rating, after 2006 the only idea that the Democrats will need to articulate is that they're not Republicans. Hell, the way shrub is going, even Republicans will be campaigning on the basis that they aren't him.

[Bluehorseshoe]

Well at this stage it's looking like Hillary has a lock on 2008....

[Coop]

"on those (rare) occasions that Gore pulls that stick out of his ass, he can be pretty charasmatic dude."

Um, no. "Gore" and "charismatic" belong in the same context about as much as "Larry Bird" and "dark-skinned."

[Jackie]

Well, now that you mention it Coop. If Larry Bird was black, he'd a been just another ballplayer.

[Coop]

"Well, now that you mention it Coop. If Larry Bird was black, he'd a been just another ballplayer."

Classic Worm. Gotta love it. I liked him better as an angry young black man, versus the moody old cross-dresser he turned into.

[Coop]

"Well at this stage it's looking like Hillary has a lock on 2008...."

No question. And if she runs against any of the crap the Republicans have right now she'll win by a landslide. Though I wonder how much she looks forward to being Whitewatered again...

[Bluehorseshoe]

Hey if you are Dick Morris its a Condi v Hillary all-girl mudwrestling extravaganza

Here's my bet - Rudy + Condi vs Hillary + Obama. GoP will realise they have gone too far right after getting whamped in 2006 and pick a centerist Rudy, with Condi as the kicker.

[briandtw]

BHS - If you think that the power-wielding Right in this country will sign off on a pro-choice, gay friendly candidate for president, then I want a case of whatever you're smoking.

[daveNYC]

Rudy might be able to do it, what with all that "America's Mayor" crap. Otherwise you're right, the social conservatives in the Republican party would stop cold any other pro-choice, gay friendly candidate.

Personally I think Rudy would be a horrible president. He's too much "my way or the highway" and that shit will get you nowhere on the hill.

[Coop]

Rudy won't win the nomination, period. For all the reasons you've all stated plus his baggage. I think the Republicans will end up with another Bob Dole nominee in John McCain. Mitt Romney is another possibility (maybe even a VP). Either way, Hillary will slaughter both. She has the Clinton name, she has positioned herself as close to the center as possible (and far enough away from Michael Moore), and will generate an unprecedented turnout by young women (who will thrive at the potential alone for a woman president). Really, Condi is the only chance Republicans would have against Hillary, but I doubt she'll (Condi) even run.

McCain would have a better chance than Condi. She would have all the Iraq baggage, she was the NSA when 9/11 happend, and she's black. None of which are conducive to her getting elected.

[Coop]

"McCain would have a better chance than Condi."

I disagree. And why/how does being black hurt Condi's chances?

[lattalayne]

McCain would have a better chance. Maybe you're forgetting who controls the Republican party? Old, rich white men. Old rich white men will not vote for a black woman as their appointed leader. Not that they'll vote for the Democratic opponent, either. They just won't vote.

[Jackie]

"They just won't vote."

They just might kill her.

[Cozmo]

Coop - McCain would win by a landslide in a general election, he will just never get past the bible belt swing of the Republican primary, same thing with Rudy. Can you imagine Rudi winning South Cakolacka or Georgia as a pro-choice Catholic with a Jewish 3rd wife? Forgeddaboutit.

[Coop]

"Maybe you're forgetting who controls the Republican party? Old, rich white men."

Old rich white men? You mean like George Soros? Or Hollywood? That's a big liberal myth.

"Old rich white men will not vote for a black woman as their appointed leader. Not that they'll vote for the Democratic opponent, either. They just won't vote."

I couldn't disagree more. In terms of actual population, old rich white men make up a miniscule amount. So their votes alone would not mean much. Now if you were to argue that old white men not contributing to the campaign of a black woman would hurt Condi's chances, you'd have a better point. But if you were to argue that white Christian men not voting would hurt her chances, than you would be right (even though I would disagree that it would be case). We know quite well from the last election that registered voters will still vote for whoever they think is the "lesser of two evils." Democrats voted for Kerry because he was "not Bush." Likewise, regular Republicans will vote for the "un-Hillary." I just think the largely untapped young woman's (18-25) vote will be the deciding factor if Hillary runs. If the GOP can't capitalize on any of it (i.e., Condi) than they have no chance.

[ddd]

Why are y'all playing the race card with the great white hope larry bird? Didn't we have this conversation a few weeks ago with that idiot in blackface at a halloween party as a "Gulf coast looter?"

... and death to America if Hillary becomes president. It would be like NYC voting in Dinkins for mayor-- DISASTER!

[lattalayne]

Coop: Note that I did not say the rich, old white men make up the majority of the Republican party, I said that they CONTROL it. I don't think they'll be willing to put Condi in a position to get elected (ie. won't nominate her, back her, etc).

I spend all my days in contact with the working class, Conservative, blue-collar Christians who voted W into the White House (twice). I don't think there's spin enough in the world to get these ol' boys to vote for Condi. They want somebody who (appears to be) someone they can relate to. That's why W won twice. He comes off being just a regular good ol'boy who you could have over for dinner one night and hang out on the porch with drinkin' beer. Gore had none of that; Kerry even less. Doesn't matter that W can't put enough words together to make a comprehensible sentence. Doesn't matter that he's obviously dumb as a stump. They (erroneously) see him as "One of us", just regular folks.
That being said, Hillary doesn't stand a chance in Hell either. Moderate Dems I talk to would cross party lines and vote for McCain over Hillary. Dems need to come up with someone who is nationally unknown, like Clinton was when he first came on the scene. A good Democratic governor would be an excellent choice, if there are any out there.
I'm all for kicking them all out. The Republicans have pushed through all their agendas and the Dems have laid down like cheap rugs and let 'em, all to the detriment of this country. I'd keep Murtha, Ron Paul, and Barack. Sweep the rest. Just my opinion...

[daveNYC]

I think you're giving people too much credit. Remember that Condi would have to win the South in order to get in the White House.

The other advantage Hillary would have is her husband. Sure he's a tool, but he is a campaigning machine. Basically Hillary would be able to campaign twice as much as her opponent because she would not have to show up at any given event herself, she could send Bill as a legitimate substitute. Condi would not have that option.

[Bluehorseshoe]

Thing is that political parties exist to stay Power. The only reason the GoP tacked way right is because they thought there was votes in it. It all depends on 2006 - if the electorate demonstrate they are sick of the far right, the Old men who run the GoP will conclude they need a centerist candidate like Rudy or Mcain, and need Condi there as a female minority to counter Hillary. The only way the GoP have a chance is to tack back to the centre. If they stay where they are Hillary has it.

[Coop]

Lattalayne: I know you said CONTROL. But also note that you said "They just won't vote."

As far as the working class conservative Christians, I think given the choice between Hillary, Condi, or nothing -- the majority of those "ol'boys" you refer to will back Condi. Those ol'boys may not be enough to keep Condi from the nomination. Right now, there appears to be a wealth of support by conservatives for Condi's nomination.

[Coop]

"Doesn't matter that he's obviously dumb as a stump"

Maybe compared to you. But compared to America as a whole, he's well above average in the intelligence department.

[briandtw]

Maybe this is my personal bias, but I just don't see Hillary winning the presidency under ANY scenario (short of the GOP nominating a pedophile or something like that).

[Coop]

Well, if John Kerry had a chance, then Hillary sure as shit does.

[daveNYC]

"Thing is that political parties exist to stay Power. The only reason the GoP tacked way right is because they thought there was votes in it."

The GOP leadership might want to swing center, but they've grown so reliant on the nutbar social conservatives that I don't think they'll have an easy time doing it.